Now that your choices

"Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow" (chriskf) 05/04/2016 at 10:19 • Filed to: None

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from the two major parties are either Clinton or Trump...

#FeelTheJohnson

Tristan > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:20

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There’s no chance of a happy ending for this election cycle.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:20

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I’d rather not feel the johnson, thanks.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Tristan 05/04/2016 at 10:23

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There’s really not. It’ll be one of those two despicable “humans.”

The one upside is that there’s a strong possibility that this election will finally give a 3rd party the opportunity to gain some strength in the mainstream, both in terms of media and votes. Hopefully we will even seen some endorsements from both Democrat and Republican representatives, who are completely fed up with the crap nominees their parties have chosen.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 05/04/2016 at 10:23

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Better than feeling Clinton or Trump. lol

vondon302 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:27

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Ross Perot says yeah right.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:28

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He’s the best chance for the next 4 years.

I’m a full supporter of Johnson and I actually voted for him in 2012.

I can’t stand the amount of “not a real party” or a 3rd party can’t win.

Did you know we had 4 presidents from the WHIG PARTY?

It wasn’t always a Rep or Dem system. It doesn’t have to be, the only reason it is is because we allow it to be.

Nibbles > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:28

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Johnson garnered a record-setting .99% of the votes last election. I’m really hoping to see that number higher this time around.

I’m part of that .99% and will be again.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > vondon302 05/04/2016 at 10:29

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He actually got coverage though. People talked about him. That hasn’t really happened for a 3rd party candidate since then. The country also wasn’t this fed up with completely shit candidates back then either.

We’ve got two of the most polarizing Rep/Dem candidates in U.S. history. If people are ever going to listen to a 3rd option, it should be now.

Ash78, voting early and often > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:31

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I'm in. I'm 37 and have never NOT voted third party in the general election. I just hope (in my lifetime) to see the numbers go up in the popular vote so eventually third parties can't be ignored as easily.

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 05/04/2016 at 10:32

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The Whig’s are essentially the Republican party’s precursor. It was still a two party system at that time, if I’m not mistaken (been awhile since history classes for me...)

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Nibbles 05/04/2016 at 10:32

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And that was running against a candidate who was very good at running for president. Running against the two clowns there will be now, I really hope to see that number jump drastically.

Pre-election results like this give me hope.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/…

vondon302 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:33

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All true but at this point its gonna come down to Trump or Hillary. Too late to get any momentum at this point. This might be the first Presidential election that I don’t vote.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 05/04/2016 at 10:34

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Yeah but like Rust and Dust said, it has almost always been two major parties (just by different names).

This could be the opportunity to replace one of those two parties with the Libertarian party though, or maybe (although the chance is slim) create a system that has stronger support for a 3rd party.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:36

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That, and libertarian economics is based on the false assumptions of Rand, Hayek, and the misinterpreted ideas of Adam Smith, that believe that people who work in their self-interest are actually going to work in the interest of society as a whole. The people who already have all of the wealth in this country have pulled the ladder up behind them and basically screamed “FUCK YOU IT’S MINE!”

So yeah - no man is an island. We’re all in this together and your mistrust of your neighbors will kill you.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > vondon302 05/04/2016 at 10:37

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I’m not sure you really read my point above.

I 100% do not believe that Johnson can even come close to winning. The goal here is to simply educate people that a 3rd option is out there, and not just another of the typical options we’re presented with. It’s a rational and well-reasoned 3rd option with policies that the majority of Americans will agree with.

Don’t skip voting. Go vote 3rd party. Everyone says that a single vote doesn’t count, and by all logical sense they don’t, but collectively they do. Every vote that can be given to show that Americans are fed up with the Reps/Dems is worthwhile.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Ash78, voting early and often 05/04/2016 at 10:39

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That’s the goal this election. Not to elect a third party candidate, that simply won’t happen, but to strengthen a third party option.

Nibbles > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:43

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I lived in New Mexico during Gary Johnson’s terms. I remember how much good he did for the state - for a while there, we weren’t last in nearly everything! We had a surplus! Things were looking up! Then Richardson came in and fuckered it all back up.

I’ve met with him and talked at length about a number of things, way back when he was governor (both terms). The man is highly intelligent, very well-rounded and his experience in both the public and private sectors make for an excellent decision-maker.

vondon302 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:43

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Oops yeah your right. Brewing stronger coffee now. Agree 100 percent and I’ll still vote but it seems to always come down to the lesser of 2 evils.

Ash78, voting early and often > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:43

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That’s always been my goal — to vote my conscience, not to vote defensively to help the least of two evils (it helps that I live in AL, where general elections range from Red to Really Red, so your vote doesn’t really count towards the e-college). This election will really, really underscore my conviction about this strategy.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 05/04/2016 at 10:44

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You’re talking more about the extreme side of Libertarianism, the Ron Paul Revoltionioners. I’m not one of those, and Johnson isn’t either.

Many Libertarians are made up of people who simply want the best for their communities, and of course themselves too. It’s the idea of letting people work toward that without the big hand of the government guiding the way.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:49

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So why not go with things that have worked? What the right and many libertarians decry as the evils of socialism are really things that work to lead to a productive economy and strong entrepreneurship. The people who want to monetize and privatize everything will lead the country to a new feudalism. I’m sorry, but I want the taxes I pay to go to social programs and education - not wars and pork barrel military pet projects like the F35 that the Navy doesn’t even want.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > vondon302 05/04/2016 at 10:49

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That’s a shame. I’ll continue to “waste” my vote on a candidate I actually believe in. haha If everyone voted that way, I have no doubt that we’d have a much better political system.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 05/04/2016 at 10:53

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You should really read up on Johnson’s policies. He’s called for major reductions in both military spending and U.S. involvement in foreign conflicts.

Dru > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 05/04/2016 at 10:56

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I hadn't read that the navy doesn't want it, but I had read that it has been a stone's throw from an unmitigated disaster.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 05/04/2016 at 10:56

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Also, I agree that education reform should be one of our primary focuses. Our education system is terrible. It’s why I’m glad I went to private school, and why I’ll send my future children to one as well.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:57

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I will - I’m a fan of Rhine Capitalism - which seems to be the most effective and egalitarian socioeconomic system. It’s not perfect but it’s far better than the neoliberal-Rand-worshipping caste system that we have now.

450X_FTW > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 10:57

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if my choice is between Clinton and Trump, I choose to volunteer for a 4 year work assignment in Germany (where our parent company is located). Not going to bother selling my house because with the mass exodus of people who have said they’ll be leaving america when Clinton/Trump is elected, housing values will fall big time.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 05/04/2016 at 11:00

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Yeah, most of us rational libertarians aren’t Rand worshipers. You’re thinking of the extremists who border on being anarchists, which obviously would never work.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Tristan 05/04/2016 at 11:00

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So you are saying that our Johnson isn’t going to get a happy ending?

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > 450X_FTW 05/04/2016 at 11:02

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I wouldn’t mind going to Germany either, my company is headquartered there too. They actually have a pretty solid system, I think their health care system is one of the best models out there.

Unfortunately, getting sent for foreign assignments pretty much never happens for U.S. citizens at our company. :/

uofime-2 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:09

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As much as I don’t identify with the candidates I’m happy to see new blood, Trump is many things, but I he’s not a lifetime pollitician. I would have much prefered to see Bernie too for the same reason, but surprisingly the dems are apparently more stalwart than the republicans

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:09

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Unfortunately, in life and on the internet, the most extreme minority is often the loudest voice.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Nibbles 05/04/2016 at 11:11

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Me too, let’s break into a serious percentage.

Mercedes Streeter > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:11

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Woah, I did some research on Johnson. He supports lbgt rights, he hates the current education industry, hates the current healthcare industry, wants more civil rights for everyone etc etc...I mean sure, I don’t agree with the guy on everything...But I’d rather have 8 years of him than even just 4 years of $hillary or Drumpf.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > vondon302 05/04/2016 at 11:12

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No vote is wasted.

Ever.

Even if it’s a vote that doesn’t go to one of the main two it expresses your opinion that you didn’t want one of those 2. Vote for the best candidate.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:14

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It’s true there’s always been a “conservative” and “liberal” party despite their names.

I’ve always fit under Libertarian the best to be honest. I like their economic conservativeness and the liberal social aspect. Basically I’m of the “stop wasting my money and I don’t give a shit how you live your life” party.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever 05/04/2016 at 11:15

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No you’re right, people just get hung up on the names and are so dedicated to not changing or voting outside the standard, it’s an example to show people didn’t always vote for the republican or democratic parties.

vondon302 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 05/04/2016 at 11:16

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Yeah I know but after 20 years of voting I can’t even get upset over this stuff.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > vondon302 05/04/2016 at 11:19

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That’s the problem though.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 05/04/2016 at 11:22

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Agreed. Which is why I do my best to promote the true face of the Libertarian party. From my observations, most average citizens registered as Reps/Dems are actually Libertarian in their beliefs. They just don’t realize it.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Mercedes Streeter 05/04/2016 at 11:24

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Glad to hear it! I don’t agree with him on absolutely everything either, but I think it’s impossible for anyone to 100% agree with any candidate, unless you’re running yourself. haha He’s definitely the best option that will be in the actual running.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 05/04/2016 at 11:26

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You and the majority of Americans, most of them just aren’t educated on the Libertarian party and don’t realize that it’s the party that best represents their interest. But people’s knowledge of, and false identification with, political ideologies/parties is a whole other topic I don’t feel like getting into right now. haha

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 05/04/2016 at 11:29

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Honestly, I’d love to torch the idea of the electoral college, and run preliminary and runoff elections to allow the electorate to determine the outcome directly, as opposed to just providing a general sentiment, as it is now. It would reduce the power/monopoly that the two party system has on our government, IMHO.

mazda616 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:29

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That’s me! I’m 26. Registered as a Democrat at age 18. Just realized I’m a Libertarian in 2011, at age 21. Will be voting for Gary Johnson this year just as I did in 2012.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:30

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Fair point!

Stapleface > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:31

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I'm hoping Hillary doesn't get the nomination. But in the event that she does, I'm certainly down for the none of the above vote for Johnson.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever 05/04/2016 at 11:31

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I’m down with that.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Stapleface 05/04/2016 at 11:34

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I applaud your hope, as I’m all about supporting the candidate you believe in even if I don’t believe in them. But I look forward to your vote for Johnson, because the reality is that she’s more than likely going to be the other half of one of the most deplorable POTUS candidacy choices in history.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > mazda616 05/04/2016 at 11:36

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Pretty much the same as you, but reversed in that I originally registered Republican and interned for the AZGOP in college. That’s probably one of the major factors that helped me realize I’m Libertarian. lol

Stapleface > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:39

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I don’t necessarily believe in Bernie either. But he’s certainly better than she is. And since the likelihood that the eventual winner will be from one of the two parties are quite high, I’d at least like to see Bernie in there versus Hillary. At least there would be a sliver of hope the country wouldn't go to shit if he were to win.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:41

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I’m writing in. At least I’ll generate a little discussion.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Stapleface 05/04/2016 at 11:42

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Unfortunately, the country is gonna go to shit. The goal now is to look toward fixing the mess in 2020, and strengthening the Libertarian party is a major component of that. Even if you don’t believe in the candidates, it will be better for us all if there’s a stronger third option. It will force the two major parties to move toward a more rational standpoint, which will better serve voters, instead of being run by the ideological extremes of both sides.

BigBlock440 > uofime-2 05/04/2016 at 11:43

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Huh? Bernie’s the definition of lifetime politician.

Stapleface > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 11:50

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Oh, I definitely agree with you on this one. With the two party system, everything is so black or white its ridiculous. There is no middle ground.

uofime-2 > BigBlock440 05/04/2016 at 14:52

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at least he didn’t say married to someone who was impeached from office for commiting adultury against him for reasons of political ambition like ole hills

BigBlock440 > uofime-2 05/04/2016 at 14:54

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I guess there’s that.

uofime-2 > BigBlock440 05/04/2016 at 16:56

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That’s the spirit, two party system, lesser of two evils, we’ve gotta keep that going!

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 05/04/2016 at 21:38

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Well, Clinton is billing herself as a continuation of Obama (huge economic recovery, mixed results elsewhere thanks to Republican obstructionism)

Bernie can actually improve the country

Trump will lead to world war 3 and the fourth Reich

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Santiago of Escuderia Boricua 05/05/2016 at 00:16

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Clinton will not be a continuation of Obama. I’d take another four years of Obama over her, and that’s saying a lot.

I’d prefer Bernie over Clinton, but I don’t see it happening.

#NeverTrump

#FeelTheJohnson